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Attendees --------- CBM-ED C128.JBEE T.ADAMS18 YLR.ROSE CBM-ED M.DULSKI1 CMD-DOUG PAUL-MB F.BUNTON A.BERNHARDT J.FEIGLESON C.HITSELBER1 D.COZORT2 R.KNOP1 R.NEAZER E.SIELSKI S.MAZZOTTA1 <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> ExtraOrdinary :) <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> Frank has a question GA Frank <[Frank] F.BUNTON> YLR.ROSE: what is you typing speed (if you know it in wpm)? ** (Sent by 7) JBEE, do I start hosting next month? (brb) <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> is that his question? :> Message sent to Job 7 ** (Sent by 7) Great! <[Frank] F.BUNTON> No wonder I can't keep up...only 30 wpm. :p <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> if it is.. its 90+ WPM.. words per millenium.. hehehe <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> lol^ <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Maybe he wants you to come over and type things for him, Rose? <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Don't let her do that... she finds too many mistakes! <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> well, for a small fee and the number of your credit card.. that could be arranged.. :> <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> ::innocent mode:: <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> >> grin << <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Call her 976 number <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Course, I'd get jealous... (snicker) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> <[DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT> "Mr. Fonts"? <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> thought your eyes were brown, Doug.. cause you're so full of.... hehehehe <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> So, anyone want to ask some questions ? <[Frank] F.BUNTON> Sorry I couldn't make last night. Storms in the area. <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> me me me!! <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Nope, blue as blue can be! :) 976-ROSE <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> are we having FUN yet????? Yes, Andy...I've been editing fonts all weekend. <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> thats... 1-976-YLR-ROSE .. :> 1-900-YLR-ROSE or 1-900-PAUL-MB-1 ;) DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT> Ok. geos. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Anyone want to Beat the Sysop? It's great fun. :) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> please have mercy and make it easy ;) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> hey, how come everyone's picking up baseball bats?^ <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> LOL! <[Frank] F.BUNTON> just CLOWNing around <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> ::strappin on spurs:: <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Can I ask questions, JBEE? <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> I've beat up on him enough...oh, THAT Beat the Sysop! :) ** <[Buff Phoon] F.BUNTON> was <[Frank] F.BUNTON>. <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> ::innocent mode:: Send in the clones! <[Buff Phoon] F.BUNTON> I only have a pie. just CLOWNing around <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> ::polishing Frank:: OH.. I thought hPAUL-MB> Those Crazy Texans :) <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> BRB...AFK mode... <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> >> grin << <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> yea.. and soon I'll be moving to WACO (aka Wacko) Texas! >:D <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Ed, between asking today and answering yesterday I won't have any work :D <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> heh <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> I am a PIous kind of guy ... <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> ;) ** is here. <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> Well, lookie who's here! J.FEIGLESON Kick off those boots! Hi, J.FEIGLESON! (That darn transporter! :) <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> We don't serve minors, J.FEIGLESON! Do you have some ID? <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Howdy there J.FEIGLESON! Glad you could make it! <[Buff Phoon] F.BUNTON> I'm moving from the state of Confusion to the state of Shock. <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> ::sending crying towel to Frank:: >;D Is that just west of Illinois, Frank? :) ** was . <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> make sure you don't move to the state of depression :) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> MAke sure you don't move to the state of depression :) <[DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT> I'm from the state of Shock. you won't like it. ** was . ** <[hippo] J.FEIGLESON> was . <[hippo] J.FEIGLESON> hi <[hippo] J.FEIGLESON> all Hi Hippo! <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> <- just noticed Frank is in the buff! ** <[Hippo] J.FEIGLESON> was <[hippo] J.FEIGLESON>. Did TBEE say that? ;D <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> Don't let Rose know <[Hippo] J.FEIGLESON> REally cover her eyes <[Buff Phoon] F.BUNTON> just wearing clown make-up!!! <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> nah, she is upstairs reading and banging around <[Buff Phoon] F.BUNTON> what's she "BANGING"? :> <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> not me! LOL <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> LOL <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> ::innocent mode:: <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> Anyone got any questions for the Sysop? <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> (X)(X) <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> JBEE and I already DO live in the state of Depression... <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Ed, you ever see the RS EC-4075 programmer's calculator? Extreme close up! < <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> I have Sharp's EL-506H <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> yea, gets more depressing when you see ole' Billy on 60 minutes ! <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Never saw the one you mention <[DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT> Like what kind a questions? ** is here. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Ed, does hex <-> decimal conversions? Hi, C.HITSELBER1! (That darn transporter! :) <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> We don't serve minors, C.HITSELBER1! Do you have some ID? <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Howdy there C.HITSELBER1! Glad you could make it! <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> Well, lookie who's here! C.HITSELBER1 Kick off those boots! Questions that will stump easily :) <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> So does mine, John. That is why I bought it. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> <- will take any questions to do with Commodores ** <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> was . ** is here. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> We don't serve minors, D.COZORT2! Do you have some ID? <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Howdy there D.COZORT2! Glad you could make it! Hi, D.COZORT2! (That darn transporter! :) <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> Well, lookie who's here! D.COZORT2 Kick off those boots! <[DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT> Oh!!! With Commodores! I thought ANY questions! <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> <-- will take questions to do with Sex.. hehehehe <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> TO ASK A QUESTION TYPE /RAISE - TOM WILL CALL ON YOU <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> BY TELLING YOU TO "Go Ahead" GA (your name). Type -end <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> WHEN FINISHED. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> TOM WHO IS THE NEXT ONE WITH A QUESTION? <[Hippo] J.FEIGLESON> hi hak I used to live in Springfield on Rolling Road <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> okay.. let me try that fer a sec... will send ya a note if it works.. <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Must have to do with Sex AND Commodores... <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> hey, are you a member of WACUG? Interesting combination, Doug :> <[Hippo] J.FEIGLESON> Me <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> Doug, do you mean like modem sex or something worse? <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> What A Commodore Uses Goes - WACUG! <[Buff Phoon] F.BUNTON> later folks. gotta spend some of my money on GEnie's other areas, also. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> okay Frank - not going to even try? :D <[DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT> GEnie has other areas??? <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Guess that will work, though you should be able to come up with something more imaginative than that. :) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> ask Rose, I am easy :D <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> Anyone have any questions for the sysop? Hi all/rai <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> Well, there was that strip poker game... <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> use the /rai on its own line <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> Niters Frank! SMOOCH <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> and I see you three, Ed Nite Frank! <[Buff Phoon] F.BUNTON> not gonna try. JBEE's too smart. . You see 3 Eds, JBEE? Is there something in the dip!? <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> No more raises from me for the day. Think i"ll just listen for a while. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> ahh - thanks - and I wanted to give more stuff away ... ** <[Buff Phoon] F.BUNTON> has left. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Hey! [Buff Phoon] F.BUNTON! Don't forget your weapon! Scotty, you beamed up [Buff Phoon] F.BUNTON too soon! Nice job! ;) <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> Kickin off her boots.. Ylr wiggles into the room... <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Hmmm... Looks like [Buff Phoon] F.BUNTON has left! How sad... <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> I have real easy questions to ask everyone tonight because I want to get them <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> into the script =) <[Hippo] J.FEIGLESON> I haven't lived there for 10 years <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Jimmy Cricket ;) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Doug - I have been searching all the "b" movies now for more Commodores :D <[Hippo] J.FEIGLESON> Hack my brother lives in Lorton <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> 1045 My watch says 9:31, Ed ;) <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> Wasn't there a VIC-20 on "Empty Nest"? <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> I was setting he alarm. Yup, HH. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> empty nest a movie? what type of movie? <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> Empty Nest is a tv show, JBee. :> <[DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT> Well, I might as well try a question... <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> And I saw a made for TV movie with Jason Bateman in which he torches a customs agency shack. There were PETs inside. sigh. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> getalife <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> >> grin << <[Hippo] J.FEIGLESON> Is a TV like A Vedio Monitor <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> Andy has a question GA Andy <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> JF, yes, why? <[DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT> How do you set CIA#1 up for 50hz operation? <[Hippo] J.FEIGLESON> [B[B[B[B[B[A[A[A[A[AJust kidding I never watch TV unless it is Dr Who or Star Trek <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> matter of fact - my new TV can be used as a monitor :) <[DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT> Ooo o ANSI graphics! <[Hippo] J.FEIGLESON> Who wan's to watch TV <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Andy - unless Ed knows I give up -imagine it has to do with a ROM call ** <[Hippo] J.FEIGLESON> has left. <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> Leaving already?.. [Hippo] J.FEIGLESON ::SPLASH::SPLASH:: There goes [Hippo] J.FEIGLESON...minus one wallet! <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Hey! [Hippo] J.FEIGLESON! Don't forget your weapon! <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Hmmm... Looks like [Hippo] J.FEIGLESON has left! How sad... <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Hold on JBEE, I'm looking... <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> too bad - I had a Dr.Who question for JF :) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Ed, isn't "peek"ing kind of naughty? <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> I suppose you'd look in the ROM routine that checks for PAL vs. NTSC (startup) and offset it from $DC00 instead of $DD00 where the word gets stored in the timer. Dunno though, I'm at the office. No commie books here. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Ithought that was what I was supposed to do? >>sigh<< <[DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT> What? You don't take commie books whereever you go? <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> I do! <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Ed, I was making a tongue in cheek comment ;) <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> grin <[DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT> Commie book should be right with your American Express card! <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> Actually, I have a Commodore PRG here at the office and several source code directories. hehe <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Andy, I give up? how? You stumped him, JBEE! Good job ;D <[DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT> Set bit 7 at addrs DC0E (on the 64) to high. It makes the TOD clock run at the proper speed in forieign countries. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> that's what SX-64s are for and they store traveler's checks nicely too :) <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> That is where I was looking believe it or not... <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> I always keep my SX-64 stocked with butterscotch wafers and Hershey kisses. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> this one's for Andy -> <[Wizard`user`] M.DULSKI1> Andy, it's the same on a C128 too <[DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT> I figure the only hardware ? that could stump someone would have to do with smething normal americans don't encounter. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> okay - got an easy one for you - what do you type in at any menu prompt to read <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> the weekly Sysop's Picks? Good plug, JBEE :) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> <-use to live in Holland working for the water department <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Thumb get sore? ** is here. LOL <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> Well, lookie who's here! R.KNOP1 Kick off those boots! <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> We don't serve minors, R.KNOP1! Do you have some ID? <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Howdy there R.KNOP1! Glad you could make it! Hi, R.KNOP1! Care for some 64 S'mores? <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> BAHAHAHAAHA Hi Rob! <[DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT> I dunno. SP? <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Doug, who said anything about thumbs ? <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> Hiyas! Rob! Howdy all <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Hi RK ** <[Rob] R.KNOP1> was . <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Andy - small hint - it's on page 625 ... <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Oh, it was only a small hole, then? <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> (grin) :> <[DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT> Yeah, but I've gotten to the point where I don't look at the menus anymore. I know where I want to go. <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> <-- gets the joke <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> yea - I use to use my spare change <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> well Andy - if you told me M625;5 - you would have won! <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> TOM WHO IS THE NEXT ONE WITH A QUESTION? But you didn't, and you didn't. So you didn't. ;) <[DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT> So, how many grand did I lose? <[DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT> :) <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> Anyone have a question for the Sysop?? <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> My spare hasn't changed in quite a while...still hanging around my middle. :) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> 1/2 hour for a good question like that :) "Stump The Sysop!" I'm not your host, Paul McAleer. <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> D.C. has a question GA D.C. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Paul's talking to he-self again =) What was the name of the microprocessor that the C65 would have had? <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> ohh - you mean the one it DID have 65c816 :) - <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> give me another one ... :) <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Heh, actually it was a 4510. But nobody knows that. :) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> what's a 4510? If nobody knows that Doug, are you nobody? :) <[DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT> You know it, Doug. Are you nobody? LOL <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> they got ya Doug! <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Yep, I'm nobody. Fred told me that was what it was being dubbed. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> I thought they only dubbed movies? CMD-NOBODY ** is here. ;) Hi, R.NEAZER! Care for some 64 S'mores? <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> We don't serve minors, R.NEAZER! Do you have some ID? <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> Well, lookie who's here! R.NEAZER Kick off those boots! <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Howdy there R.NEAZER! Glad you could make it! Was that just another name for a 65c816? <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> Hiyas! RN! <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Hi RN! <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> yea - so they could charge more money when it broke :D I believe that, too! ;) Hi all <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> ::serving chocolate chocolate chip cookies--chewy ones!:: <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> No, the 4510 was a modified processor specifically for that machine. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> YUM <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> "sorry, sir, your 4510 is gone, its out of stock, and your computer will be up <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> a strawberry dacquiri to go with that plate of cookies, Doug? (G) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> on the lift for the next week, mind if we push it outside?" <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> LOL! <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> JBEE you ahave a come back question for D.C.? <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> oh - the 0/1 modified so it ran C64 software? <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> homemade cookies.. I brought em home.. then made em.. hehehehe <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Instead of choc. chip cookies, we should have 4510 chip cookies. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> oh - I guess 65c816 was swrong then - question coming .... C64 S'mores are good :) <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> I'd like a byte <[Rob] R.KNOP1> :) <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> >> grin << <[Wizard`user`] M.DULSKI1> I'll just have a nybble Looks like Doug bit off more than he could chew. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> I think we should turn the PAGE on these ones, folks. <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> LOL! <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> oK <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> I'll chew on one for a bit... <[Rob] R.KNOP1> (And don't you try to get a WORD in edgewise) (Doug has a megabyte!) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> DC - what was the winning file #10000 called? <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> geez, JBee. why didnt ya jes ask him to name the survivors of the Titanic?? hehehehehe <[Rob] R.KNOP1> LOL See those lawns? I modem <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> and his kid has a megabit <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> and how many bytes are in it? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Paul - OUCH! :> <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> 125000^ Got me. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Thought that would have been easy enough - its why we are here :D <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> ya got 10 mins to answer, DC.. go look in the library and come right back.. hehehehehehe <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> for the record "jasmine" <[Rob] R.KNOP1> YLR - you gave it away! :) Or the SYSOP PICKS, I believe :) <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> ::innocent mode:: <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> Rob has a question, GA Rob. o/ HOME, HOME on the range... \o <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> ARG - I forgot about the 10 minutes - guess he wins anyways -lol <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> >> grin << <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> ::clap::clap:: <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> ::clap::clap:: <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> DC, you ever see a copy of Micro-Bytes? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> OK: with >=8K of RAM expansion installed, at what memory location could one find <[Rob] R.KNOP1> the screen on the VIC-20? <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> $8000? <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> The screen would be in front of you. <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> ::running for old Compute Mag in the bathroom:: <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> ohh - I should know that - I programmed first on a Vic - let me think (or see <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> LOL <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> if I can scrunge up a Transactor;) No, but I've been meaning to see if I could get my hands on one. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> no, not $8000 Congrats, DC! You just did! ;) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> DC wins a free copy of Microbytes then :) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> I would "guess" 1024 Rob? <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> You'd have to go pretty far back in T's <[Rob] R.KNOP1> not 1024 <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> I give up - "what is it"? <[DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT> Is that hexidecimal, JBEE? <[DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT> :) <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> At 22 cols, it could be ANYWHERE <[Rob] R.KNOP1> 4096 <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> screen memory moves to 4096 <[Rob] R.KNOP1> n <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> darn.. too late.. just found it.. :< <[Rob] R.KNOP1> It is $1e00 with the 3K expander or no expander, and $1000 with greater expansio <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Oh... you got 10 minutes, though, didn't you? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> when I was first programming the Vic-20, and filled up the 3.5 K, I was <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> yea - memory expansion on the VIC was pretty strange <[Rob] R.KNOP1> scratching my head for a few days wondering why the screen pokes no longer <[Rob] R.KNOP1> worked with the 16K expander I got. (a WHOLE 16K!) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> <-sysops dont get ten minutes - only contestants <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> color memory moves to 38400 with 8K :> <[DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT> Well, time to go. Later all. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Seeya Andy! <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> cya ** <[DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT> has left. There goes [DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT...minus one wallet! <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Hey! [DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT! Don't forget your weapon! <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> Leaving already?.. [DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT ::SPLASH::SPLASH:: Seeya Andy! <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Hmmm... Looks like [DTJ Andy] A.BERNHARDT has left! How sad... <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> I had the 8K and 16K expanders.. I luved em.. :> <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> <[Rob] R.KNOP1> YLR, You need the Heimlich? <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Hemlock <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> I had 128K on my Vic... :) <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Doug - you serious/ <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Rob, yes she needs it, she is coughing up nothing! I had keys on my VIC ;) <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Yep...bank switched. I saw a used VIC yesterday on sale for $75. Heh! I saw one for $20 :) <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> I suspect Rose got froze by her auto-adios. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> $75!!!! <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> grrrrrrrr <[Rob] R.KNOP1> You can get a 128 for $75 some places nowadays. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Hope Not Hack! <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Last I knew they sold for $50 new with 5 games thrown in! <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> found a new glitch.. I accidently hit a return during an autosalute.. locked me out big time.. :< <[Rob] R.KNOP1> JBEE, did you ever sell that 128D? <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Must have had some extras... Sssh! That was a secret feature YLR. ;) <[Rob] R.KNOP1> hee hee <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> ha ha ha.. :< <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Rob, still no firm offer <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> geez.. gotta pay more attention when someone leaves.. :> <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Rob here is your question - name a Commodore printer with a pass through serial <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> port? I have one! :> <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> :) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Paul - :X no hints! <[Rob] R.KNOP1> e5G]<-- growling that he doesn't have all his old Compute!s here :) The guy claimed it (the Vic) had o"one of those Vic hard drives"???? <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> I can give you a hint if you need it ;) Prolly meant a disk drive, DC <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Sure, I'll take a hint. I have two guesses I could make: <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> goin over to clean up my room from last night.. see ya'll in a few! :> ** <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> has left. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Hey! [Mistress] YLR.ROSE! Don't forget your weapon! There goes [Mistress] YLR.ROSE...minus one wallet! <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Hmmm... Looks like [Mistress] YLR.ROSE has left! How sad... <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Rob, what kind of monitor do you use for your C-128? Yeah, a 1540. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> 1084S, now. Used to use a 1902A <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Is this the hint? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> :) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> hummm RED GREEN BLUE ... <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> ^was a hint <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Oh, was it that little plotter, the 1520, I believe? ** has left. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Hey! R.NEAZER! Don't forget your weapon! There goes R.NEAZER...minus one Ginsu 2000! <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Hmmm... Looks like R.NEAZER has left! How sad... <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Rob wins by the skin of his teeth! ** <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> is Monitoring. Hi, [Mistress] YLR.ROSE! Care for a 128 Shake? <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> We don't serve minors, [Mistress] YLR.ROSE! Do you have some ID? <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Howdy there [Mistress] YLR.ROSE! Glad you could make it! <[Rob] R.KNOP1> I had one of those for a week once! Darn cute plotter that was, too :) I had one for a half-week :) ** is here. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> We don't serve minors, E.SIELSKI! Do you have some ID? Hi, E.SIELSKI! Care for a 128 Shake? <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Howdy there E.SIELSKI! Glad you could make it! <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Bought it on a deal thinking it was an 80 column printer... the ad was misleadin <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> <-wrong the first program I ever uploaded for the C-1520 - still here on GEnie <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> Hack Hogan has a question, GA Hack. BTW, the MPS1200 has a pass-thru too. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> must have been a Mont. Grant ad :D <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Actually, it was Protecto. Anyone remember them? ** <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> Hiyas ED! <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Paul, really? <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> Ok. Why do CBM 8-bits use PETSCII (or if you prefer, half-ASCII) instead of ASCII? <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> yea - Computer Direct^ Yup, JBEE. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> CH - good question! So does its big brother, the 1250. ** <[EMScompute] E.SIELSKI> was . <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> CH - for the graphic character sets Well folks, I'm going to call it a night! <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Ed, any guesses on that? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Isn't there more to it than that? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Seeya Paul! <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> Nite Paul Be sure to stop by Friday night! :D ** has left. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Hey! PAUL-MB! Don't forget your weapon! <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> Can you be more specific, JBEE, because my IBM clone has graphic characters. <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Hmmm... Looks like PAUL-MB has left! How sad... <[Wizard`user`] M.DULSKI1> Night Paul ;) <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Tramiel, I bet. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Ed :) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> so they could do graphics cheaply with the small amt of ram available <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> He was happy about losing the caret. ** <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> (Sent by 3) do Tom and I start on Wednesday next week? or do you still want me on Tuesday? <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> other than that, I give up :D Why? <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> I wasn't there for the design meeting at Commodore, but I think it was so every 7-bit ASCII character could be typed unshifted on the original PET. More user-friendly that way. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> There was a Jim Butterfield article about it in an old TPUG <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> ^that the reason? ** <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> The hottub is all filled up with fresh water.. come jump on into Room 3! ** <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> has left. <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Hmmm... Looks like [e.g.bell] CBM-ED has left! How sad... <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> I'm guessing, of course. I thought one of you guys knew. ** <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> not Monitoring. <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> Type /room 3 to continue the fun. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> It was a historical thing. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Ccontinued in room 3.... ** <[Wizard`user`] M.DULSKI1> has left. <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Hmmm... Looks like [Wizarduser] M.DULSKI1 has left! How sad... ** <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> has left. <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Hmmm... Looks like [Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1 has left! How sad... ** <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> has left. ** has left. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> everyone type "/room 3" <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> Type /room 3 to continue the fun. ** <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> has left. Room 3, Ylr's Rose Garden ** <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> is here. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> I used to know a [*Sysop*] C128.JBEE! Do you have some ID? <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> Well, lookie who's here! [*Sysop*] C128.JBEE Kick off those boots! <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Howdy there [*Sysop*] C128.JBEE! Glad you could make it! <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> LOL! ** is here. <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> Well, lookie who's here! D.COZORT2 Kick off those boots! <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> I used to know a D.COZORT2! Do you have some ID? <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Howdy there D.COZORT2! Glad you could make it! ] E.SIELSKI> is here. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> This is CH's question!!! <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> I used to know a [EMScompute] E.SIELSKIHe was very rich! <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Howdy there [EMScompute] E.SIELSKI! Glad you could make it! <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> Well, lookie who's here! [EMScompute] E.SIELSKI Kick off those boots! ** <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> is here. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> I used to know a [Tom] T.ADAMS18 He was very rich! <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> Well, lookie who's here! [Tom] T.ADAMS18 Kick off those boots! <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Howdy there [Tom] T.ADAMS18! Glad you could make it! ** <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> not Monitoring. <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> ::countin heads:: Yep, by jove, I think thats all of em! >:D <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> I hope it's a ballbreaker. I hope it stumps me. muhahaha <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Anyway, to continue the PETSCII story: <[EMScompute] E.SIELSKI> I wish I was rich ;DD ** is here. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> I used to know a S.MAZZOTTA1! He was very rich! <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Howdell, lookie who's here! S.MAZZOTTA1 Kick off those boots! <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> good for 1/2 hour of time because that was a neat question - what library would <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> you upload GRAPHIC CHARACTER ART to? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> I found the Butterfield article. It was in TPUG Vol 1 # 4, as bundled Hi y'all! <[Rob] R.KNOP1> in transactor 8 (1) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Hi ya Sam <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Hi SM <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> Hiyas! SM! hi sam <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> You mean like c/g movies (Illinois Fred, et al)? <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> really, I got that issue - guess I should reread it! <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Do you have the TPUG in it? <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> no, "low res" screens <[Rob] R.KNOP1> For a while, TPUG members got Transactor as a membership bonus... and those <[Rob] R.KNOP1> folks got the TPUG newsletter inside the T. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> (I got some of my T's from a former TPUG member...) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Rob - nope - ^ <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> I'm still about 10 shy of a load. (T's that is) <[EMScompute] E.SIELSKI> Of 13 people here, how many are actualy logged on using Commodores? <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> cool to be them. So to get on with the game, I give up on the library question. I don't know and it seems like cheating to leave and look at the me nus. ME!y'all! <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> I am.... C128 <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> ::HAND RAISED:: using 128D <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> not me. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> ES : I am ... C128, er, C512 <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> anyone who wants to win some prises ;D <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> That isn't cheating, Hack! <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> me using a flat 128 <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Hey JBEE, do you know what the storage capacity of a 1570 drive is? :) <[Wizard`user`] M.DULSKI1> C128 here ;D <--On a 128D, using Dialogue. <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Just for fun... <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> In that case, "I'll be back" <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Doug: this is a trick question, right? <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> yes, 170k ** <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> has left. <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> >> grin << <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> Leaving already?.. [Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1 ::SPLASH::SPLASH:: <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Hey! [Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1! Don't forget your weapon! <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Hmmm... Looks like [Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1 has left! How sad... <[Rob] R.KNOP1> JBEE :) <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Good job, JBEE. :) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> I guess Hack is going to check the libraries to won :D <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> won=win <[EMScompute] E.SIELSKI> Looks like 6 of 13 and akll thoughs using 128s <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> DC has a question.. GA! <[Rob] R.KNOP1> If anyone wants to here more about the PETSCII story, give me a yell. Try doing this using a 64! <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> >> grin << <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> ROb, I do :D <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-sided 1571. Limited production. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> ROSE, WHO IS THE NEXT ONE WITH A QUESTION? What is/was a dual 6502 (by the way I don't know the answer to this. <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> DC.. Go Ahead with your Stump the Sysop question... <[EMScompute] E.SIELSKI> LOL, I do miss the C64 keys <[Rob] R.KNOP1> 1570.... I just read "1571" because I thought I know what I was seeing! :) ** is here. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> I used to know a C.HITSELBER1! He was very rich! <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> Well, lookie who's here! C.HITSELBER1 Kick off those boots! <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Howdy there C.HITSELBER1! Glad you could make it! hm... could it be library 29? <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> CH is a winner :D A single-sided 1571? Hmm, that would sell really well! <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> what IS a 6502?? hehehehee <[Wizard`user`] M.DULSKI1> We have a winner ;) <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> A chip, Rose <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> DC, you got to know the answers to your questions :D <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> The brains of your commie <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> chip? I have some of those.. :> <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> chocolate or peanut butter? <[EMScompute] E.SIELSKI> Is any qustion fair game? <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> I take it you want 1/2 hr of free time CH ? On your shoulder? <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> Chocolate Rose? <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Heh, it was before they had the 1571, so it was sort of a 1541 with burst. :) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> ROSE, WHO IS THE NEXT ONE WITH A QUESTION? That wouyld help my GEnie bill, yes, thank you. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Thus, uppercase only. C= followed the standard, BUT, with their first Pet, <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> ::tapping fingers:: waiting for a hand to raise:: <[Rob] R.KNOP1> OOPS <[Rob] R.KNOP1> PETSCII: According to the Butterfield article, originally it was very difficult <[Rob] R.KNOP1> to get many characters on a CRT, and they were limited to something like 32. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Thus, uppercase only. C= followed the standard, BUT, with their first Pet, <[Rob] R.KNOP1> they did have lowercase... that you could get by shifting. With the next <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> Ed.. Siddown! >:D <[Rob] R.KNOP1> model, to support word processors, they switched the upper and lower case <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Any Commodore question is fair <[Rob] R.KNOP1> characters, so you could get upper case by shifting... and thereby screwing <[Rob] R.KNOP1> up compatability with standard ASCII. <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> EMScompute has a question.. GA! <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Rob, interesting! ** was . I /rai <[Rob] R.KNOP1> JBEE - It's a very good article, if you can get your hands on a copy. Rob, would you be willing to type that up in an internet article? <[EMScompute] E.SIELSKI> When is Wrath of the Demond by Readysoft going to be released for Commodore? <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> EMS, I give up, when? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> CH : I could post a summary of the Butterfield article, but I'd be worried <[Rob] R.KNOP1> about copyrights and plagarism since it's my only source.... ** <[Sam] S.MAZZOTTA1> was . <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> ::clap::clap:: <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> ::clap::clap:: <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> ::clap::clap:: <[Rob] R.KNOP1> CH : how about I put it in the FAQ? <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Rob, I would get his permission first. <[Sam] S.MAZZOTTA1> Thank you! <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Gotcha in my clap trap, huh Rose. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> How does one get ahold of Jim Butterfield nowadays? that'd be cool. I was just interested. <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> LOL! <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> $1000 does it, RK. I think Jim Butterfield is an Amiga Defector or something. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> $1000 ???? <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> He will come to your UG for $1000 <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Ho boy. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Did for ours a couple of years ago. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> What if you just want to ask him a question? <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Got to chat w/him. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Is he an Amiga defector now? I might just hire him to come over and give me private lessons in gurudom. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Maybe Tpug <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> EMS - your question coing up .... <[Rob] R.KNOP1> In the sense that he also no longer does 64/128 stuff? he uploads on Qlink in a semi-regular way <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Geez, and I come if you just promise to buy product! :) t find out about Wrath till late Friday afternoon <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> saw him in ICPUG's (U.K.) newsletter about a Amiga show he attended over there <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Doug : how far do you trave? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> travel, rather. <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Not THAT far. :) Depends on the situation. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> OH, so you probably won't do my Antartica C128 User Group meeting :) <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> No, probably not...unless you can promise a pretty darned big turnout. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> EMS - what category has a topic about clipart sources? I guess the CONZ is out of the question too. (Commodoreheads Of New Zealand) <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Uh...... <[Mistress] YLR.ROSE> DC has a question.. GA! <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> But WACUG isn't out of the question. <[Sam] S.MAZZOTTA1> Commodore users? Big turnout?--This IS 1992, not 1986, folks! <[EMScompute] E.SIELSKI> GEOS, but I don't remember the # <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> guess that leaves out KONZ too (Kiwiheads of new zealand) What microprocessor and operating system did the Commodore C900 use? <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> nope - cat#11 :D (would have accepted #16 too) <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> 8088? <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> MS-DOS Hey, watch the language CBM-ED!`! <[Rob] R.KNOP1> :) <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Was answering the question.... ;^) <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Wasn't I?? >>grin<< <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> actually - could have gotten the question with "INDEX" ^ <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> yea, ED's a sysop, he cananswer them too:) <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> is that the right answer, DC? Was no. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Not the Colt, huh? I mean no. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> DC, what's the right answer? <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> ROSE, WHO IS THE NEXT ONE WITH A QUESTION? Zilog Z8000 and Unix. Strange story. ** <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> (Sent by 3) soon as ya give DC his question.. I'll give ya the next participant.. :> <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Golly onts] CMD-DOUG> Was it ever released? <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> DC, while I get you a question, explain the story :D <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> CH has a question... Go Ahead! Name all the 6502 instructions that modify the stack pointer. <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> yeesh! these guys are tough! :> hehehee <[Rob] R.KNOP1> :) All, or just all documented? just the documented ones. Before Trameil left C=, he made a deal with Zilog so that C= got to produce the Z8000 <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> DC - what library was the winning file file uploaded? <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Yeah, ZAPSTACK doesn't count. :) <[Rob] R.KNOP1> How about the ones that crash the machine? .g.bell] CBM-ED> Documented what? hadda leave a minute <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Ed, you want to handle this question? There are no dodumented instructions that crash the machine unless they are in a first draft of a program written by me. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Ed: 6502 opcodes which change the stack pointer. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> CH :) (Zilog's attempt at a 16-bit processor. he planned to build a system around it using Mark Williams Coherent. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> tsx: <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> php:pha <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> pla:plp <[Rob] R.KNOP1> (Does tsx modify the stack pointer?) no. tsx does not. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Yes, it does. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Uh oh <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> No, txs... not tsx. <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> >> grin << <[Rob] R.KNOP1> txs.... right.... whe he left , some of the engineers went with him and the prototy[pe disappeared. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Dlexsyic <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> dysfliger strikes again.. :> <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Sorry... but the ph/pls all do... And Butterfield *does* mentione a dth instruction, but not a documented one. dth? wazzat? any more? <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Noel Nyman I think did a write up on it in the T some time ago. ** <[EMScompute] E.SIELSKI> has left. <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> Leaving already?.. [EMScompute] E.SIELSKI ::SPLASH::SPLASH:: <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Lets talk about [EMScompute] E.SIELSKI! :::: snicker :::: <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Hmmm... Looks like [EMScompute] E.SIELSKI has left! How sad... C= kept developing, but switched to real UNIX, They showed the C900 at CES and a couple of other places. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Also, did you ever hear of the 'smoke poke'? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> CH : :D.... The case is almost identical to the A2000's. <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> For the Pet, Ed? <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Yeh smoke poke? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> ED: that was the one on the Pet that would fry it, right? <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Right <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> DC, like the LCD laptop ;) <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Dangerous..... Oh, wasn't that a write to an I/O chip? <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Yes... <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Well, the monitor wasn't it? yeah, I think it was in the video control chip. They may have actually produced and sold a few somewhere in Europe, but I doubt it. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Something to do w/timing as I recall. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Yeah, that sounds like what I heard. you could also diddle the cassette motor on and off very fast. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> "Drive Music." <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> ::: shudder::: so are we ready for the offical answer yet? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Somebody was telling me about a 64 program that would play music by thrashing <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> It got fixed in later Pets. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> the heads of your 1541. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Rob - yea - sounds neat I have that! It's cool! I play it at my friends' house. C128.JBEE, yes exactly like the laptop, and actually the June after they intoed the laptop. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> CH : yes, at your friends' ... that's the key. :) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> CH - yea - play's it on a friend's drive - not his =) <[Rob] R.KNOP1> How many times have they had to align their 1541? <[Sam] S.MAZZOTTA1> Rob, will it work on a 1571? <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Yeah, real cool...don't try it on my 1541. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> I dunno. <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> e.g.bell has a question!! Go Ahead, ED.. hehehehehehehehe <[Rob] R.KNOP1> I've never seen it. I assert that I have stumped the sysop. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Wait... did Ed fully answer CH's question? <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> CH - what is the "answer" <[Rob] R.KNOP1> I second CH's motion if he did. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> About the stack stuff? jsr: rts: brk: rti: php: pha: plp: pla: txs <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> how about CLI? did I leave any out? <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> ::clap::clap:: <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> ::clap::clap:: <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> ::clap::clap:: <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> No, not cli CLI only clears a bit in the psw. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> CLI doesn't change the stack pointer, does it? <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Nope, it doesn't. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> what is psw? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Processor Status Whatyamacallit? processor status word. sorry, creeping vaxism <[Rob] R.KNOP1> It's not a word though.... it is on an eight-bit architecture :) <[Rob] R.KNOP1> The 6502 only has 8 status bits, doesn't it? <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Yep. Quite correct nomenclature. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Or, rather, seven? NV-BDIZC Hate to ask and run , but my wife just turned off the lights and climbed into bed, which I think is a hint for me to stop clacking keys in here and go to bed. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> That's just a byte. Why is it called a word? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> DC - :) ** is here. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> I used to know a E.SIELSKI! He was very rich! <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> Well, lookie who's here! E.SIELSKI Kick off those boots! <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Howdy ther[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> ::STUMP:: you are hereb y Stumped CH!.. hehehehe ** <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> was . <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> ouch. She hit me with LOG <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> did you get /'d <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> >> grin << <[Rob] R.KNOP1> You should have seen the SINs of it coming. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> She'll TAN your hide if you're not careful. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> COS she said so. <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> Actually, it was a Ren and Stimpy reference. Please, these puns aren't FUN. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> What, did I drive you all off? <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Are you ABSolutely sure about that? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Ooooh, ouch. :) B <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Okay CH - how many redefinable "function" keys on a C-128? <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> If I had a 128, I'd be able to answer that. But since I don't have a 128, I give up. <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> I know, I know! >:D <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> okay - forget the question - another one coming <[Rob] R.KNOP1> ::jumping:: ooh, ooh, ooh <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> okay Rob - you can answer it :D <[Rob] R.KNOP1> 10 <[Rob] R.KNOP1> F1-F8, HELP, RUN <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> "you are correct sir" <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Sort of... <[Rob] R.KNOP1> yayyyy! <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Sort of... waddaminnit, you ain't gonna give me more of this word stuff, are ya? <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> LOL! ** <[Sam] S.MAZZOTTA1> has left. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> hehehehe <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Lets talk about [Sam] S.MAZZOTTA1! :::: snicker :::: <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Hmmm... Looks like [Sam] S.MAZZOTTA1 has left! How sad... <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> Leaving already?.. [Sam] S.MAZZOTTA1 ::SPLASH::SPLASH:: <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Okay CH - name a Commodore inkjet printer! <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> ROSE, WHO IS THE NEXT ONE WITH A QUESTION? <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> You stumped me again. I have no clue. <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> quit SHOUTING at me, JBee... no one has their hand raised.. :< <[Rob] R.KNOP1> CH - name it "Fred" in honor of Mr. Bowen. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> I have a question: what does the "EE" stand for in "C128.JBEE"? <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> sorry Rose, let me change the macro :D <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> >> grin << <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> I may be in TEXAS.. but I aint deef! :> <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> rose, who is the next one with a question? <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> Extremely Eccentric <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> >> grin << <[Rob] R.KNOP1> C= commodore. JB = John Brown. 128 = Godlike Computer. EE=? <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> Go Ahead, Rob.. is that your stumper question? :> <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Uhhh, not really, just a question :) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> EE - Extremely Ear rit tating <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> EE=Ecentric Egomaniac <[Rob] R.KNOP1> :) <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> ::ducking:: <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Electronic Enthusiast <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> elephant ears <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> LOL! <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Easter Eyesland <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Exhuberent Eggbeater? <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> ok, let's get back to the puns please. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Eternal Egghead? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> ::ducking:: <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> by telling you to "Go Ahead" GA (your nam <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> to ask a question type /raise - rose will call on you <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> when finished. <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> hmm... <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> got em backwards didnt ya? hehehee <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> actually I look like a bee - I have a big stinger ;) <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> ok, EMScompute.. GA! >:D <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> yea, let me fix that <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> and a segmented eye <[EMScompute] E.SIELSKI> How many OUTPUT ports are thier on the Grappler Interface for Commodore? <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> Boy, I'm glad he didn't ask anything too esoteric. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> LOL <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> never had a GI.. (well, human yes.. cartridge no.. )...hehehee <[Rob] R.KNOP1> tsk tsk tsk <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> EMS - the RS232 one? <[EMScompute] E.SIELSKI> Have one sittimg here beside me :) <[Rob] R.KNOP1> What, a soldier? <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> married to one Rob.. and I was a soldier-ette years ago.. :> <[EMScompute] E.SIELSKI> Total of 4, 1 Parallel, 2 Serial (Male & Female), 1 pass through User Port <[Rob] R.KNOP1> I'm a sone of a soldier.... <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Ports 'R' Us, sounds like. <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> I'm daughter of a SEAman.. hehehehe <[EMScompute] E.SIELSKI> Amazing little device <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Ho boy. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> >groan< <[EMScompute] E.SIELSKI> But it HATES! Geos <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Where can you get 'em nowadays? <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> uh oh... gotta go. Real work. <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> LOL! <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Hmmm... <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> Niters Hack! <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> EMS- RS232 or the serial port one? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> REAL work???????? <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> Hey, can I get 10% off my 10% on the CMD order? <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> Nite hack <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Bumer. <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> hahaha ** <[Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1> has left. <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> Leaving already?.. [Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1 ::SPLASH::SPLASH:: <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Alas! Poor [Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1! I knew him well! <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Hmmm... Looks like [Hack Hogan] C.HITSELBER1 has left! How sad... <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> <[Rob] R.KNOP1> CH : then you'd only get 9% off.... <[EMScompute] E.SIELSKI> There is 1 RS232 (IBM Printer Port) cable, the other utputs are all for Commodore <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> EMS your question coming up ^ <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Does it go into the user port or cartraige port? <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> atdt967-9452 <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> EMS - how many slots in the Navarone Slot expander ? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Ed: you don't say.... <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Wazzat me??? >>> oops <<< <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> >>>grin<<< <[EMScompute] E.SIELSKI> 2 <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> For a good time call atdt967-9452 <[Rob] R.KNOP1> LOL <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Ask for Bruce! <[Rob] R.KNOP1> hee hee <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> LOL <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> Dial 1-900-YLR-ROSE! <[EMScompute] E.SIELSKI> It plugs into the User Port <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Uh oh... <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> Think I'll let Rose call. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> no, 3, its called the "navarone 3 slot expander" - probably too hard - pretty <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> old - here's another question instead ... <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Love the juxtaposition up there. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> hehehe <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> JBEE, what are the three laws of Rock'n'Roll? <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Doug - I give up <[Rob] R.KNOP1> (1) Beethoven was great ... <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> EMS - what category is Micro-Bytes product support? ** <[EMScompute] E.SIELSKI> has left. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Alas! Poor [EMScompute] E.SIELSKI! I knew him well! <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> Leaving already?.. [EMScompute] E.SIELSKI ::SPLASH::SPLASH:: <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Hmmm... Looks like [EMScompute] E.SIELSKI has left! How sad... <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Really? Try checking Question 71 in 500 C128 Questions: Answered... <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> 1) It works better if you plug it in... <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> 2) It works better if you turn it on... <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> 3) It works better if you turn it up. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Print that manual, YR. then ----====>>>> READ IT <<<<====---- ;^) <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> >> grin << <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> oops! <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> read???wuzat? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> RTFM, you mean.... <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Right, what he said! <[Rob] R.KNOP1> A reed is what oboe and bassoon players use to produce their sound. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Doug - you can license the rom code as long as you buy the 6526 ;D <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Apparently Loren thought this applied well to computer users as well. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> LOL <[Rob] R.KNOP1> How does one turn up one's C128? <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> poke 54296,0-15 <[Rob] R.KNOP1> (Add a RAMLink? ;) ) <[Rob] R.KNOP1> ED : :) <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> (disable the shadows) <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Turn up the volume, brightness, etc., on a monitor... <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> #3 was referring to Doug's contrast (wink-wink) <[Rob] R.KNOP1> I did. ** is here. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> I used to know a E.SIELSKI! He was very rich! <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> Well, lookie who's here! E.SIELSKI Kick off those boots! <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Howdy there E.SIELSKI! Glad you could make it! <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> (blushing) ** <[EMSCompute] E.SIELSKI> was . <[EMSCompute] E.SIELSKI> 15 <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Heh, somebody must have told you a story, JBEE... <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Uh oh... blackmail time! <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> "you are correct sir" <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> ::clap::clap:: <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> ::clap::clap:: <[Sysop-tress] YLR.ROSE> ::clap::clap:: <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> EMS wins a copy of Micro-Bytes :) <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Thunderous, SCREAMING applause! <[EMSCompute] E.SIELSKI> I had to be sure this time :) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> to ask a question type /raise - rose will call on you <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> when finished. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> rose, who is the next one with a question? <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> What was that about ROM code licenses, JBEE? <[Sysop-ette] YLR.ROSE> nobody.. :< <[Sysop-ette] YLR.ROSE> Rob has a question.. GA! <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> oh what the heck - 7 minutes left - fire away :D <[Rob] R.KNOP1> What does "TMNWH" stand for? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> (This is a C= question, honest.) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Doug - just commenting licensing the roms cost more than the chip :D <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Heh, it can. :) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> The Masked Nerd Was Here (screwing up my disk directory ;) <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Hee. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> That'll be fixed. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Nothing was harmed, really. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> <- JBEE has learned never to reset the computer without "closing" geoPager :D <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> cute icon though :) <[Rob] R.KNOP1> <- has learned TO reset computer without "closing" geoPager. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> :) <[Rob] R.KNOP1> deskTop's tendency to delete TEMPORARY files kept me from seeing that bug. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Couple years ago. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> What was a couple of years ago? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> (1990?) <[EMSCompute] E.SIELSKI> How much memory in a 128D? bell] CBM-ED> right, 1990. <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Rob, time :D <[Rob] R.KNOP1> ES : whose C128D :F <[Rob] R.KNOP1> :D, not :F <[EMSCompute] E.SIELSKI> Mine <[EMSCompute] E.SIELSKI> Actualy, stock 128 <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> EMS - counting ROMs and VDC? <[EMSCompute] E.SIELSKI> 128D <[EMSCompute] E.SIELSKI> yes <[EMSCompute] E.SIELSKI> Easy question <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> actually - D's have more ROM than a flat C-128 ... <[Rob] R.KNOP1> They do??? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Wow, learn something new every day. <[Rob] R.KNOP1> mmT3w-tXvOh, wait, I bet I know what you're talking about.... <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Oh, wait, I bet I know what you're talking about.... <[Rob] R.KNOP1> hello? <[Rob] R.KNOP1> Did we die? <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Doug must be sleeping ... <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> No, I'm not. :) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> just counting them all on your toes? :D ** <[Rob] R.KNOP1> has left. <[Sysop-ette] YLR.ROSE> where did...[Rob] R.KNOP1 go? They left their credit c <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Alas! Poor [Rob] R.KNOP1! I knew him well! <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Hmmm... Looks like [Rob] R.KNOP1 has left! How sad... <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Memory in a 128? <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> Doug - how much "total" memory in a C-128D <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Hmm...just a sec... <[EMSCompute] E.SIELSKI> Could have been worse, could have asked the number of RAM chips in a C64 <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> EMS, I could answer both ;) <[EMSCompute] E.SIELSKI> I know :) <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> matter of fact I still owe someone a flat c128, don't I rose ;) Horizons Software? <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> actually - I asked someone how many 4164s in a C64 and they took there computer <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> apart to find out and they had a C64C :D <[Sysop-ette] YLR.ROSE> ahem.. YES, JBee.. seems there is one due to my house anytime now.. :> <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> well - the answer could have been 192K DRAM <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> 32K rom <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> x2 <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> I got 186K... <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> Well, folks I'm going to call it a night, see ya Tuesday Doug. <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Oops... <[EMSCompute] E.SIELSKI> Got to be at least 192K Doug :) <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> See ya Tom! <[Wizard`user`] M.DULSKI1> Night Tom! <[Sysop-ette] YLR.ROSE> Niters Tom! <[`*`Sysop`*`] C128.JBEE> see ay Tom! <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Thats right...forgot to count part of the Kernal. ** <[Tom] T.ADAMS18> has left. <[e.g.bell] CBM-ED> Alas! Poor [Tom] T.ADAMS18! I knew him well! <[Sysop-ette] YLR.ROSE> where did...[Tom] T.ADAMS18 go? They left their credit c <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> Hmmm... Looks like [Tom] T.ADAMS18 has left! How sad... <[Mr. Fonts] CMD-DOUG> (The part under Char ROM...)