1993 by GEnie ======================================= This file is brought to you by The Commodore 64/128 RoundTable on GEnie For more information call by modem: 1-800-638-8369 (8-N-1 300/1200/2400) Enter: HHH Then reply: xtx99018,commrt Then enter: Commodore - and Enjoy! ======================================= _____________________________ GEOS RTC Date: 931116 Host: GEOS-TIM Guest: M.Randall2 Author of geoShell _____________________________ Active users in room _____________________________ A.FRANCHI1 [Anitra] ALBERTO.VO5 C.MACDONALD1 C128.JBEE CBM-MARK CHET.W CMD-DOUG G.GUNTER [Bill] GEOS-TIM J.DEARDEN [Jim] L.SCHONDER [Lou] M.RANDALL2 [Maurice] QT.PIE [Sherry] S.EYRSE [steve] T.GOSSER1 THE.OUTLAW ===================================================================== <[steve] S.EYRSE> Gosser your from Shelton :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> First of all, would everyone like to here about a new morphing program. We HAD a C= users group in the area...don't know if ot still exists :( YEA! Yes yes <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Sure................... <[Cam] THE.OUTLAW> yes <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I was working with the program just before logging on here... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It is a new program called geoMorph... re's QT <[Sherry] QT.PIE> Re's <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It allows you to take two photo scraps and morph them into different images... <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> cool! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You can come up with any number of images that look somewhere in ... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> between the two... GREAT! <[steve] S.EYRSE> wow.. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Tonight, I transformed Abraham Lincoln into George Washington. <[Sherry] QT.PIE> :) <[steve] S.EYRSE> cool <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You can capture each frame into a photo album as they are rendered. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You are limited to photo scraps no bigger than a GeoPaint window. Maurice... I may have missed this, but does this do the whole 'Paint' document or just a portion of it, or both? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ESP, Doug. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It works with two photo scraps. ** is here. Hi Jbee! Olympia <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I knew what he was about to ask, and fired the answer right away. :) <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Hi JBEE <[Sherry] QT.PIE> Hi Jbee <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Anyway, you can adjust different settings to do slightly different... Howdy JBEE. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...I mean get slightly different results. Message sent to Job 11 GREAT...handyscan 2 images..convert and MORPH! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You can watch each frame appear once it is rendered.... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Then it will do the next, and so on... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Or you can do just one frame at a time... <[steve] S.EYRSE> So you could build up a anamation? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Eventually, the primary photo scrap will look just like the secondary one. What next....virtual Geos?? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Yes, you could capture each frame and then play them back with ... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...another program of some sort. <[steve] S.EYRSE> Album Animate <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> geoMorph is a stripped down version of 'Photo Frame'... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...which is a full-fledged photo scrap editor.... <[steve] S.EYRSE> <[steve] S.EYRSE> <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...morphing is one of Photo Frame's features and will be included in... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...the Finally! package. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I'm releasing geoMorph as shareware and it will be uploaded... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> to GEnie by this weekend. sounds great :) Thanks Maurice!! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It takes about one minute to render each frame. Faster with ... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> TurboMaster. <[steve] S.EYRSE> Thanks Maurice..nice to have a place to up load once more HU ? :) <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Really? Sound great Maurice! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It works on both 64 and 128 in 40 column mode. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Kinda nice to be able to share. Message sent to Job 11 <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> geoMorph lets you use DA's from any drive, so you can access... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...a photo mgr from anywhere. <[steve] S.EYRSE> Yes I'm hacking on a new driver for the HP deskjet to work at 300DPI full page. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You can also load and save photo scraps from any drive. Message sent to Job 11 <[steve] S.EYRSE> how many drives? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Any questions on geoMorph before I go on to something else? <[steve] S.EYRSE> <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Go ahead Steve. <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> BRB...wifey getting up for work... Get her some coffee, Lou. :) <[steve] S.EYRSE> so I will take about a min or so for the transitions? yes, I have one :-) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It depends on the complexity of each of the two images. <[steve] S.EYRSE> so it.. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> The program is analyzing about 76,000 pixels during each frame. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> And deciding where to put them. <[steve] S.EYRSE> so are you using the screen as a BUFFER? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> The longest I've seen so far is about 90 seconds for two big photo scraps. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> No, you see each frame on the screen. brb <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Plus you can see a scale at the bottom showing the progress... Unreal...bet Berkely is rolling over..he he :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...so that you know about when the next frame will appear. Howdy folks! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You can stop the progress by clicking on the mouse once. <[Sherry] QT.PIE> Hi Jim! Hey Timmie! Get lost? :) ../ar/hiHi <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...if you like the frame you are seeing. <[steve] S.EYRSE> great look forward to it..HI YA TIM and jim. Ya <[Jim] J.DEARDEN> Hi Sherry Hi Jim! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Then you can continue or save, whatever you want. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Hi Tim. 'bout time. H/senI know...but I'm using a new term... Your term is probably better than mine :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> We've been doing OK so far. <[steve] S.EYRSE> Great... <[Jim] J.DEARDEN> Everybody hide! Here comes CBM-PRESS! I'm feeling rather terminal myself. :) <[Jim] J.DEARDEN> It's safe to come out now! CBM-PRESS is gone! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Actually, I've still got about 15K of program space left in geoMorph. <[steve] S.EYRSE> Jim, please kill your greeter for tonight. <[Jim] J.DEARDEN> already did Doug (at least I hope so) Thanks. :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> But this is the shareware version and I have to limit myself. Well gotta go, Nite all :) <[Jim] J.DEARDEN> bye alberto <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It has the look and feel of a GeoPaint screen... Night Al Then, will there be a commercial version later? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> bye alberto. Nice talking to you Maurice :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> The commercial version will be in the Finally! package and called Photo Frame. <[steve] S.EYRSE> shopping always shopping Doug..;) I see! :) <[Sherry] QT.PIE> <--putting Finally! on my Xmas list DITTO <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Photo Frame includes morphing plus 'tools' for editing scraps Finally!!! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Plus it allows bigger scraps. That sounds Great! <[steve] S.EYRSE> well fill us in a bit on all of FINALLY .. Hi J/sta <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Because Finally! will be working with some big stuff. <[Sherry] QT.PIE> When will the commercial version be available? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Finally! is actually an environment... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> If you like, you never have to leave Finally! since you can run.. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> applications and stuff right from it's, what I call, the Lobby. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You are presented with several icons in the Lobby.... Another leap for Geos kind! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> These icons represent... <[steve] S.EYRSE> <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> The layout editor, the graphics editor, the text editor... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> The photo scrap editor (Photo Frame)... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> And several other utilities. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> The layout editor, naturally is the heart of the program... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> along with the print editor... <[steve] S.EYRSE> so we can print right from it? <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> "The Lobby". I like that! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Yes, it will print the documents you create with the layout editor. <[steve] S.EYRSE> using "normal" geos drivers? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> And it does graphics up to 360 dpi. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It has it's own drivers. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It's the only way it will work. does it support HP lasers and Postscript lasers? <[steve] S.EYRSE> K..can one custom them for the printer..HP's are strange..:) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> The graphics are true high density graphics, not interpolated like... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> the printer drivers do. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It will automatically output in 300 dpi, if you choose to do so. Will this require new fonts, as well? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> The lowest setting it has is 240x216 for the 9pin printers. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> That brings up another subject... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> One of the icons in the Lobby is for the font editor... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...this editor is called 'TextStyles'... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> This will take a normal GEOS font and convert it for you... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You can then edit it further if desired. Best results would obviously require some editing then, no doubt? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> In some cases, but the results might be surprisingly good in most cases. <[steve] S.EYRSE> and can you bring in OLD files., Write and Paint ??? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It will import GeoWrite and GeoPaint with no problem, but not... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> your existing GeoPublish files. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Finally! will operate on the 128 in 80 column mode only. <[steve] S.EYRSE> so no deal for the 64? :( <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I'm putting a lot of attention into making the proportions on... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> the screen look good also. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Once I've finished it, I will look into making a 64 version... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> but GeoPublish is pretty good for the 64 now. <[steve] S.EYRSE> :) <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> How about 16K vs. 64K VDC memory? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You will be required to have 64K VDC ram... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Because it needs the extra ram to work with... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Plus the screen is in full color. It's beautiful. YEA!!! Will color printing be supported then? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It will, but not in the first version... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I will put out a first version to get the thing on the road sooner... Have to leave room for upgrades! :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> And add additional features as I go. <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> (My KPX 2123 just said, brack-bracka-brack!) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I will make upgrades easy on everyone. how much will the final price tag on FINALLY be? Hi Ken :) hi <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Hello Ken <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I don't know if I can set a price just yet... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> But probably somewhere around 50-80 dollars. Well worth it, from the sound of the features. YEP... How soon available? are you actually working with true 300/360 dpi graphics and fonts? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Are you pinning me down? Heh, boy I've been in THAT seat! :) Best guesstimate! <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> LOL, Doug! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Yes, the graphics are anywhere from 240/216 to 360/360. You have to set this... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> when you create your document. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Let's say spring time and see how it goes. hi/quit <[steve] S.EYRSE> can these documents be opened under the "OLD" system? Hope I live that long! ;) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> After all, I got geoMorph going before anybody even knew about it! Can you change it or rescale? Or copy a smaller document into a larger one? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> What is the 'OLD' system? <[steve] S.EYRSE> Just with GeoWrite..for instance <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You will be able to change it with maybe some additional editing. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Any GeoWrite document can be imported. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Make sure you get some big disk drives from CMD for this one. ::grin:: I'll take that plug. :) <[steve] S.EYRSE> But could a FINALLY write file be opened by GeoWrite or would one need to run it thu say WrongIsWrite? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You will need at least a 1581 for data storage. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> No, this is not a wordprocessor file, it is more like GeoPublish. <[steve] S.EYRSE> <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> However, it will probably have a way to export files from it. Any plans for text wrapping functions? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Text will wrap around an imaginary line that you define. Wow! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> This imaginary line is not printed... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You just draw it around whatever area you want. <[steve] S.EYRSE> well ist sounds just great..Sorry but I have to go. Night all..:::poof::: Heh, do I hear Pagemaker for GEOS in this, or what? :) Hi Everybody! Unbelievable... are you actually working with full 300 dpi bitmap on disk aka 1+ meg bitmap? <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Hello Mark! And to think I saw this in beta...and didn't know it!! he he :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> No, it only takes about 360K to get a full-page bitmap. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> (compressed) are you using the same rle compression geos does ? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Yes, the same compression for compatibility reasons. great :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Got to use the GEOS kernal for some of this stuff! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> If it's there, I might as well use it. when printing fonts to the document are you actually using the true resolution of the bitmap font? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> After all, we don't have 8 megs, nor do we require it. Can't argue with that. And it does the job. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Yes, in order to print at say 360 dpi... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You have to use 'TextStyles' to generate a 360 dpi font. <[Cam] THE.OUTLAW> Excuse the interuption folks.. Tim has asked me to express his appologies. He's have technical difficulties beyond his control. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> This way, you get the best results that you would want. Tell Tim we understand his control problems. :) since true 300 dpi fonts are in short supply and won't fit into GEOS font buffer - can you import a true 300 dpi - like a truetype or HP font? hate to draw my own :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I will probably work on something like that on a future version... btw - texiles-textstyles - nice play on words :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> That was the whole idea behind the name, kinda catchy. IC :) Programmer's have to have SOME fun, don't they? :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Let's say these are TextStyle fonts. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> How else can we keep our sanity. So, I would hazard a guess that FINALLY supports proportionally spaced fonts? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> When you work for 3 days trying to find a stupid programming error. Or maintain a balance between sanity and insanity. :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You will be able to choose how you want the fonts spaced... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...sort of like kerning. sounds good :) anyone with more questions? don't want to hog the floor :) SOUNDS GREAT!! ::applause:: <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It just takes a lot of work to do it right. But when you see... Will there also be control of leading, or of space before and after paragraphs? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...what geoMorph does, you will appreciate what these little... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...computers can do. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Since, text is positioned by no 'set' rules, anything can be adjusted... will there be built in invisible rulers for lining up text and fonts BEFORE they are placed in the document? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...with configuration settings. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Right now, the rulers are at the top and sides on the screen. Is the control on text done as it is imported, then? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> There are several screens to work with... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Yes, the text is stored in one file, and it's positioning in another. I see. :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> This way, a GeoWrite file is not altered, and you can still use... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> GeoWrite on it. so importing text for geos users can be painless? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> If you change it, then the corresponding file gets changed again. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Yes. In fact, I'm working on an IBM disk driver. Will you be able to wrap text around graphic objects like Pagefox does? Conform to contour outlines? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Yes, with an imaginary line that you place wherever you wish. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Just draw the line and the text will stop there. can it be an arc or irregular outline? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Any shape you want. C00L! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> If this line is encountered, then no text goes there. FINALLY! ;D TIM! :) REhi Hi Tim :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Hi Tim. <[Cam] THE.OUTLAW> :> <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> [C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[A[C[A[A[AHi Tim! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You need a spare setup Tim. <[Sherry] QT.PIE> Hi Tim :) I/I sure do <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> (mouse scurry, sorry! :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> A Commodore 64 and 128 is fast if a programmer does it right. agreed! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Any body have any more questions about Finally!, or should we go on... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> to geoSHELL? Yea...BTW...thanks for the update maurice! I'm fresh out. :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> CMD will be distributing geoSHELL starting with the new version. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Talk about the ad, Doug. I hope everything is going well. Er, um... well, I couldn't elaborate much... haven't seen it! But there will be an ad for it in the next DieHard. :) q/sta <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> But the ad isn't nearly as important as the program... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I see a few geoSHELL owners here. Which is superb! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It helps me with all the repititious stuff that I do. Message sent to Job 1 <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I can program my function keys to load the files that I am currently ... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> working on. Message sent to Job 1 <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Tim, are you ready for an informal mode now? I am I as/sen 9 thanks LOL I have a new term here, and boy am I Having problems <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> What term is it? Nova term but I can't get it into chatmode GO Dialogue.. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Must be your 128 is broke? My My monitor I would but my 19084 diesd <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Cam! We need Chat Mode help! <[Cam] THE.OUTLAW> C= Q <[Sherry] QT.PIE> Maurice, can geoShell be booted from a Ramlink? <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You should have hooked it up to the TV... GeoShell is great Maurice...am still learning to use it. What else do you have in the works or planning stage? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> geoSHELL works with anything that works with GEOS... j/sta <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> and it will work with future stuff too. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I will be uploading new commands as I create them, or... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> make a disk full available. Message sent to Job 4 <[Sherry] QT.PIE> HI Mike <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Hi Mike! Hi folks! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Plus the development package is in the works. It's about 50 percent ready. What's happening here? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> That will be free to anyone who is an owner of geoSHELL. Maurice Randalll is talking about GoegoeeoSHELL <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> New commands that are in the works... whopgoeoSHEL lllLOL <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> validate... poor Tim! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> format upgrade (allows formatting ramdisks)... <[Sherry] QT.PIE> geoShell <[Sherry] QT.PIE> Hi Anitra <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> laser (dump postscript file to laser)... <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> hi, QT et al. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> convert (no description needed) I feleHi Anitra no cam <[Cam] THE.OUTLAW> Faulty copy then... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Also, additional stuff aimed at BBG users. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> And commands that can configure a Ramlink... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> such as creating partitions and stuff. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> That way, you could have one exec file just for recreating your Ramlink. Wow. That's a lot of power wrapped into a GEOS shell! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Also, upgrade to 'dcopy' for doing native partitions. Ok how do ya type help on this thing? GeoYou are gddoing fine ,Mike You're doing it, Mike! What 'bout fcopy? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> The main geoSHELL program can handle anything you can throw at it. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Yes, the request that you gave me will be added also. brb <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> In order to really appreciate geoSHELL... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> you have to work with it for awhile. (you have to use it!) :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Once you get the hang of it, it's hard to be without it. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Just type 'dir s' to get a directory of all your subdirectories... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> and then double click on one to open it. I'm back <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> we just had a rash of dropuots! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Or use @$=p and then double click on a partition to open it. <[Sherry] QT.PIE> Sounds Great! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> For using CMD stuff, you can't beat it. <[Sherry] QT.PIE> Ny Xmas list is getting longer :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You can even enter, fcopy r5 filename, and you will... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> copy a file to partition 5 on the ramlink. <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> ::: filling out another credit card application ::: <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> So, you can create a photo scrap in one partition, copy it to your... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> geoPublish partition, and then work with it there, all with one... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> press of a function key. = <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Just enter... Function key, Tim, not the = key. :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> key8 fcopy r5 Photo Scrap^ @cp8^ run GEOPUBLISH <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Then press f8 and away you go. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Or you can just type it without programming the key. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Whoops, that should have been @cp5 <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> In this scenario, anyway. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Looks like we've only got 7 minutes left. Tim? Comments? I sure am glad ig got here for them.LOL <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Any last minute questions? Time has been flying. I want to thank you for coming Maurice....I just wish I could have benen here.LO I have one more question...? L <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> This afternoon, I transformed an airplane into a rocket ship... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> with geoMorph. What about Dashboard 128? <[Sherry] QT.PIE> Hi RF <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Go ahead Doug. <[Bob] R.FILAROWSKI> Hi Sherry! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Dashboard 128 has been in the glovebox lately. <[Sherry] QT.PIE> Hi Bob! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> But I could finish it in about two weeks if I got back on it. What was it supposed to be? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It is a graphical icon-based companion to geoSHELL. Another Desktop. It is a slick progrmam UT..OH...don't get me on projects I'd like to see from Maurice!! he he :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It just needs a little work to finish it. Will you be winning any races in that Chrysler next year? :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> No, don't start, Lee. With that CMD car I'm sure he will OK...he he Your not busy enough Maurice, would you like to do some contract work? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I'm going to Daytona in February. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> What kind of contract work? Hmmm... too bad Charlie sold his condo down there... Yea...are they giving away a pink Caddy this year..?? Programming! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> What did you think of the pictures Doug. Better than you anticipated? Hey Doug...why doesn't CMD purchase Q-Link..and run it like it shud be?? Actually, yes! What a sharp looking car! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I covered all the bases, FD, JD, etc. CM, I doubt it would be worth what they would want for it. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> What's in mind Tom? Even without that, though, Maurice, it looks NICE! L:D ahhhhh.... <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> does GEOS have any small-business applications? If your interested enough we can talk later. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Thank you, the name's still on it. Sitting in my shop. Marururice uses geos to run his shpop <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I started on a GEOS version of my Invoice program but never finished it. Thast would be slicka nice goes eios addition <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I've still got the source code, I plan to finish it sometime. <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> is that your own invoice program, or a variant of 'MY INVOICE' ? Get FINALLY DONE first. Mostly just general stuff, Anitra... geoFile, geoCalc, etc. I'Y'm looking forward to that program <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It is a version of Invoice Writer II. <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> I *need* a good invoicing program! Hiaven't you gotten/sta Maurice has a nice one for outside of GEOS... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> If you don't mind non-GEOS, Invoice Writer II works pretty good. Yep...it's GREAT! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Most IBM stuff don't work as good. MacdcDonald, are you from LACC? <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> Do you have a demo? i have rather specific needs :( Yep!...and happy to be too! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> There is a demo version online here on GEnie. Well, I have to scoot folks... I just joined LACC recently <[Sherry] QT.PIE> night Doug! Night Dough <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Nite doug! Maurice, thanks for being here. Really interesting stuff! :) Nite Doug! I can'T wait to get my Dialogue back <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It is only missing the method to view your sales records... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> but in the meantime they are still saved. Night all! Have to work WED nites this year so haven't been able to attend..and MISS IT! Night doug <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> does it doe discounts? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Yes, if you enter something like 3 * .80 this would give... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> a 20 percent discount. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...on three items. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You can do math in the quantity column. <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> I have six regular customers who get 50/10/2 discounts from suggested retail on all items in a 3 page catalog, plus ... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> For 5 ounces priced by the pound, enter 5/16 The price is RIGHT too!! <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> special orders at other rates. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> The full version complete with 40+ page manual is only $10.00 <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> a free d/l from GEnie? :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> From GEnie, it is free. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> But no manual. However it is very easy to use as you will see. Great price <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Function keys are always listed at the right of the screen. In this case...u get MUCH more than u pay for!! <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> does it store addresses, stock numbers, items, amt ordered, amt shipped, back order, etc? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> No, it does not have a database in it. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> That is one of the most requested features... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I will put those in geoInvoice. <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> how does it determine the invoice number? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It keeps track everytime you print a new invoice. You specify the first one... Message sent to Job 2 <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> will it interface with a db? which one? <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> From there it stores the last one used on your disk. k/sen 13 Ya, it is going well tongithight. LOL <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> No, it does not interface with a database. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> This was my first big program... <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> my current inv # is based on the date, so I always know when the order was shipped. e.g. 9311.16 for today. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> When I started it, I only had one 1541 and one 64. <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> me too - still! <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It uses 5 digits, so you could use 31116 <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> But that would only allow one invoice per day. <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> yesbut, the next would be 31117, even if shipped four days later. <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> My system: 931116xx <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Well, it allows you to save your invoices to disk and you can review ... <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> them at anytime later. <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> On the rare occasions that we ship more than one order in a day, I use an initial, depending on the recipient. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> And you can search for invoices from specific dates. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Or look for the customers name. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> In this way, I guess it does have a database in it. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> but not for inventory stuff. <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> no problem, just more convenient when a check comes in dated 11/1 with 9310.04, I know the check is late immediately. <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I guess I need to get going pretty soon. Are there any other questions? <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> Only six regular customers. Plus the occasional special order! :) <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Tims flashing the red light at me. Thanks Maurice! :)